BAD NEWS NOVA FANS! (updated with thoughts)

 

 

SO I’ve thought a bit about Gunn’s remarks about not liking Nova so much and I had a few thoughts:

-I’m not the stubborn enough fan boy to not see the good of what this mega GOTG film means. Its a huge victory for marvel cosmic,  it’s a victory for B-list heroes or B-list story lines as well.  Its brought to life the vision of a ton of great creators like Giffen , DnA, Starlin, Valentino, Englehart, Lim, Perez and many many others.

No matter how we slice if Gunn is a big enough of a Nova fan for us diehards, the bottom line is this GOTG movie is going to cause an explosion of interest in old Marvel cosmic, ever the “red headed step child” to street level web slingers and king fu spies… we all deserve this!

(Rider wise) At worst we are back to where we started (alone and always fighting against the grain)…its ok..we are used to it right?. ..but I do think that really is not true.

When you speak specifically about the DnA / Giffen era cosmic from which it was directly based…it’s going to lead more people to that material, to Annihilation…to COnquest, to WoK, Thanos Imperative… and of course the finest hour of our Richard Rider. Its inevitable this film will help Rich, even if he is not in the damn thing.

It’s going to help ALL marvel cosmic.and that’s a great result! Guys like Quasar, Starfox , Adam Warlock.. people are going to check out old/new Starlin stuff and realize how great it is…and on and on. (not to mention Guardians 3k by Abnett!)

Normally, these films have had a minimal push on the funny books…but I have a feeling this will not be as true for this GOTG film. Even many comics fans overlooked a lot of the printed version of this stuff.

I’ve seen three threads on CBR in the recent days started about “Where can find more GOTG?” and/or “Where to start with GOTG?” etc..we are going to see results of people being “led to water” and discovering the cosmic material for themselves. That road rightfully leads through Rich Rider folks…and plenty will se what we are talking about with how great a character he is. Therefore, it’s a huge victory for us ...no matter what Gunn says about Nova.

-(In terms of the actual comments) Frankly, I need to know more and see more to pass finally judgment on if Gunn is some sort of “Nova hater” or something. His comments are not as damning as one might think..it wasn’t like he said Rich is a piece of crap or something. Its tough to say if they were conveyed tongue and cheek or sarcastic. Misdirection is also rife with these types and in that industry. At the end of the day, there are a lot of people involved with the MCU…if Gunn is not a giant fan of Nova/Rich maybe others like Feige are.

We got Nova Corps in the mix and we know the MCU is looking to elevate characters….all in all a good deal.

So by all reports ,we have a great flick here (I have 2 kids and have not been able to see it yet!) and something Marvel and us fans can be proud of ! I do think great things lay ahead and will come from this flick…so for now I am really happy for all the above reasons…

BTW If Marvel follows suit and enacts some of the movie ideas, a Nova Corps would mean multiple Novas..and of course that would be great.

 

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/james-gunn-doesnt-nova-might-not-ever-show-movie

EDIT: some fans also linked this new article to me, with some really positive things to say about Marv Wolfman, specifically the creator of Nova and the Nova Corps! Maybe like a lot this is just a big misunderstanding by Nova fans. Cant blame us for being edgy..eh?

http://www.nerdist.com/2014/08/exclusive-guardians-of-the-galaxy-director-james-gunn-on-marvels-cosmic-past-present-and-future/

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Long) Review of Nova #19

Nova #19 Review

Well, its Issue #19 of the new “Nova” ongoing that features Sam Alexander. Nearly two years since this character came on the scene and it’s been since January of 2010 that the “swan song”  of the former Nova, Richard Rider came to an apparent conclusion in the DnA masterpiece, The Thanos Imperative.

While overall, I feel the writing of the book has been routinely disappointing and cliche, I had been pretty high on Gerry Duggan’s writing since taking over the book in serious trouble as of issue #10.

I was high on Duggan because he was delivering some genuine and thought provoking moments of moral development in Sam Alexander’s brief super hero career, the kind of moments Jeff Loeb and Zeb Wells bypassed in lieu of zany and cliché adventures that made “Poochie” from the Simpsons jealous.

However, it was clear from the early series interviews with Duggan, that he was not the Richard Rider or even the DnA / Giffen fan’s “white knight” come to deliver salvation to the fans of those disaffected groups. With Issue #19, that stuff comes to an unfortunate head in one of the weakest issues of the entire disappointing volume of Sam Alexander Nova.

I looked past the little “fan boy issues” I initially had with Duggan’s work…like where the hell did those Korbinites come from? or is that Stardust’s spear? or why would Duggan say the Corpsman died in the cancerverse? There are plenty more. Duggan himself was flamed by fans from an early take over Nova interview where he said he thought the Corps were all dead in the Cancerverse. Its apparent he just did not read  The Thanos Imperative. Oh yeah he also called us Rider fans the good ole “small but vocal” complement (Right from Brevoort’s and Wacker’s talking points?)..I guess your books are used to pulling three figures Gerry where you can afford to marginalize the readership of something you are writing?

It would be one thing if the book was trying to play strictly earth based and do its own thing, but its romping in the same playground as Rider and his old book…it stands out as silly that there is not a stronger , more refined connection to the old book. It wants to build off some of the credibility the Nova and DnA series had established, yet routinely takes every opportunity to marginalize the prior stuff and paint it as irrelevant. Not a good idea.

So let’s get down to issue #19 , because it is where a lot of the problematic sides of Gerry Duggan, and the series at large , come to a head and rear their ugly face again.

The issue has Huge amounts of continuity errors or , at least, “continuity clumsiness”. After awhile,the mistakes just get aggravating. The Rocket Raccoon character is portrayed strange and ridiculous…almost overly violent and psychopathic.  It is implied the “gold domes” helmets were a source of Nova power, which is utterly false. The reason (for existence) we get for the Black Nova corps is extremely disappointing , implausible and lacks any coherent sense.  By the time the new villain whips out what was supposedly Richard Rider’s helmet, I was cringing too bad to care. I went from quietly watching this series gain some direction to saying to myself  “Just end this mess!”. It was a disastrous issue.

I’m sure some of these can have nice “ret con” type explanations down the line, but this series has been plagued by a lack of answering any questions. Two years in and even simple things are unanswered. Nothing has been executed particularly well. Why should we trust this creative team to resolve this mess?

The little things continue to add up to deliver the unmistakable feel that the new writers just don’t give a shit about DnA, Marv Wolfman, Giffen or any of the 36 years prior Nova history. Heck, someone like Duggan could learn to write a better Nova series by just a couple of hours of fact checking on the Nova Prime Page! Could it get any easier for a potential Nova writer than to have a source like that? This book desperately needs a competent editor.

..the book continues to have the vibe that it just does not give a crap about the material that came before it. Doing something new is fine. You don’t need to shit on everything that came before in order to blaze your own trail. There are paltry and forced attempts to please core fans, but these are more like token and hollow “Easter Eggs” in a work that overflows with the arrogance of its own perceived importance.

I do tend to believe some fans are over reacting to the Nova Corps “committing mass suicide” in the cancerverse apparent continuity gaff/ line in this issue.

A./ it is plausible this could have happened after  The Thanos Imperative, IE “off Panel”.

B/ They were the words of an apparent criminal and villain and certainly possibly misconstrued or lies.

Again, I make excuses! These things could feasibly fit, but again, why should we have any trust that this is not just a goof?We have not got any answers so far, what makes us think this stuff is going to come full circle?

In the end, it really detracts from the work. Duggan has written some good stuff. His dialogue is generally well done and he has a good sense of humor in his writing. He has the potential to be a good (if not great) writer. I’ve seen it and acknowledged it.

But a lot of the stuff he does in this issue just fails to hit the mark. His “let’s use subterfuge” line to Rocket comes off clunky now , seeing as how Sam didn’t even know who the Statue of Liberty was. Not really believable.

The art here is the most manga -esque we have seen. I’m not a huge fan of the new guy. He’s got a similar style to Medina, but his Sam is even more gawky, tawny and young looking. It really exaggerates the fact we have a child running through space with a weapon of mass destruction…and honestly I don’t care for it . I don’t see myself ever fully accepting that child soldier motif.

Twenty issues in and I’m still not over the fact that Sam is so young. Its yet another thing that just taints the book…and seeing Rocket dive into some incredibly irresponsible behavior with Sam just keeps adding to the ridiculousness of it all. Eva Alexander, ignored for 10 issues, still comes off as incredibly bad and naive parent when that is clearly not the intention.

With the past few issues, it just effects my view on everyone around Sam tolerating his presence as well. I mean the Avengers and everyone else lose a lot of credibility not seeing how young this kid is…and it has been an issue in the Avengers before with characters like Rage and some of the other New Warriors…but Duggan and whoever the heck is editing this book (if that is what you want to call it) would actually have to know or read past marvel stories to realize any of that…and let’s not ask too much.

I mean, wasn’t Rocket and Gamora supposed to be in charge of training Sam? Whatever happened with that?! The book doesn’t even answer the continuity it creates itself!

The book was touted as good “all ages” fun but also wants to deal with blood soaked dads at the dinner table, alcoholism, struggling finances of single parents, foreclosures, dismembering tiger people, and a healthy crossover to an event specializing in mutilating corpses and playing with detached organs. Bravo. It’s been more focused then Bendis meandering GOTG, but not by much.

There are times when the values and messages this book are trying to send just seem like they are meant for the children and teens in the world of Matt Judge’s film Idiocracy. I keep expecting Sam and his mom Eva to start spraying Brawndo on their grass.

After the BRB arc, Duggan was on a  bit of a roll. He focused on putting some genuine emotion into the book and character building moments into Sam. He’s lost momentum here and his bad continuity and problems with the story are just becoming too much to be ignored. His roll has been derailed and I don’t have much room for forgiveness with this series.

As it stand now, this will be my final arc on the book if something does not get executed better. I’m a huge Nova supporter and really want to like this stuff. Pleasing me is not “Mission Impossible”. ..but the product needs to be better! I’m going to stay on through the cancerverse arc in GOTG and finish this “Jesse secrets” arc. The Halloween issue is looking like a good quitting point for me.

1.5/5 stars

Tom Brevoort..is he the main problem?

 

So another Nova fan (Timelord) got some responses from Tom Brevoort recently , mainly that Brevoort said he didn’t think Nova got much chatter chatter on the internet…and that Rich got “decades of exposure”.

Let’s itemize what Rich Rider got for actual promotion. It’s ridiculous anybody would think he had “decades of adequate exposure” …especially to succeed!

Limited support for ongoings– A volume One series that lasted 25 issues in 1976, he was clearly a great character, but one of many Spider man knocks of the 70s and 80s. Marvel did little to promote the book. Rich never had the luxury of a series spring boarding out of an event until 2006’s Annihilation (vol.4) . (but still it was not a major event) Again..it was a decent run and outsold many other marvel titles until it stagnated because it lost relevance with the rest of the 616 universe.

Rich was an after thought in much of the 80s, being essentially replaced by Frankie Raye Nova and some waters were tested with Garthan Saal in Avengers Supernova event that did not feature a return for Rider.

Limited crossovers into other books. He appeared a few times in Fantastic Four, and a couple issues of ROM, he was never real prominent on the covers. The core books he crossed over into the 90s (New Warriors, Night Thrasher, etc were almost always B list books, aside from the debut of NW in Thor)

Never got any prominent role in a “major” marvel event ever. (with Axis Sam Alexander will have a 3rd major event under his belt…must be nice to be relevant!..it’s ridiculous to think Rich has gotten equal play!)Annihilation was a great event, but it was not considered a primary event. It competed (meaning released at the same time) against Civil War, DC’s 52 AND the new JLA series #1!  Marvel even released the Inhuman mini event Silent War around the same time. The follow up events were always minor events to a more prominent ‘Regular Marvel Event’..which Rich never had much role in (like Secret Invasion). Rich even faced a dwindling role in most of the cosmic events…which always sought to promote new characters rather than galvanize Rich.

Let’s also add that some of the Bendis and rock star driven main marvel universe was constantly seeking to undo things happening in Giffen and DnA’s work. Bendis mangled the Beyonder, brought back the Skrulls, Supreme Intelligence and Black Bolt, many times inexplicably. Guys like Hickman? brought back Annhilus with hardly a twinkle of his legacy. Loeb and Bendis axed/trashed most of the post DnA cosmic characters or hanging story lines with impunity..

 

Never got any role on any sort of Saturday morning cartoon, or cartoon at all. He may have appeared a couple times as a minor character, but not much else.

– Never an “A list”  team vehicle. Every New Warriors series that has featured him aside from Volume 1 has never been promoted much either…they have been mostly afterthoughts left to fend for themselves…though Marvel will humiliate them on the big stage in the form of Civil War. He never got a membership on ANY A list team until 2009 when he was made an Avenger on a “secret Avengers” roster. (as mentioned in my Legacy article replaced guys like Ronnie Raymond and Hal Jordan were JLA mainstays) (btw the book sold in the top ten for the Rich Rider Arc, then slowly tanked in sales whilst it digressed to Kung Fu )

-A list talent at its prime. I’d argue that Rich has had some nice artists work him like Buscema , Bagely and Larsen…but really most of them did their work on Nova at points in their careers where they were not instant huge draws…and again I love the writers like Wolfman, Nicenza, Giffen, and DnA who have worked on Rich but they were not huge market draws at the time they worked on Rich.

The nice cosmic mix of editor Andy Schmidt, Keith Giffen, and DnA really put together a good Rider and good series…why not keep them together ?

Money spent on advertising. I don’t have much evidence on this but sorry..it just was not spent on Rich or teams Rich was on. New Warriors got a good push…and the book worked for a good run…marvel seems to want to reinvent it all the time instead of just putting the original team back out there though.

Honestly, Tom B seems really really off with his line of thinking and logic…this coming from a guy who should all be well aware of the above. What is the deal? Is he just completely married to this Sam Alexander debacle, or is he a reasonable man who is just off track? I don’t know..but he’s certainly off track.

Brevoort has , at least IMO, insulted DnA openly before as well. He claimed Nova fans were smaller than they were AND really insulted DnA for bringing back an alternate universe Namorita. Meanwhile, his main man Bendy, was bringing back Alternate Universe characters like they were hotcakes! The original X-men? Age of Ultron? (which didn’t even feature Ultron). Marvel even goes so far to give Cyclops from the alternate Universe his own cosmic series! (mind you with the regular 616 character also out there) How much sense is that? Both Hickman and Remender’s Avengers takes are loaded with alternate universe mumbo jumbo, as was Fantastic Four. Another marvel mini event, Hunger, featured our 616 Galactus in an alternate universe…I mean come on!

Earlier this year, fans voted Annihilation the #9 marvel event of all time? How is that not noteworthy? Why does this guy hate us?

Brevoort’s an accomplished guy who should know better. It would be better if we had a guy like him on our side..but I dont know..for all I know with that logic he may be the biggest problem!

This kind of stuff just highlights that we are not there yet with how loud our voice can be….the fight goes on!

Not enough Chatter!

I also noticed no Nova solicit on the Cosmic Solicits put out today? Hmm..although maybe marvel considers it spidey now.

 

 

So a couple things I’ve missed in this looming cancerverse tale

Alot has been said of the appeareance of Thanos..here is a rundown , but his looks have been all over the place.

Pic from Assembled, after they would have got back from the cancerverse:

Here is the Pic from GOTG Infinty everyone is talking about:

Here is what he has most looked in infinty and since:

Maybe there is something to it…but honestly despite a couple of brief teases…this is three years past we are talking about and teasers for this storyline should have been laid thicker and more overt…or at least handled better. For all the inconsistencies with Thanos look…and for all the times Bendis and Loeb have disregarded continuity , I don’t know how to look at this.

I mean technically, The whole GOTG have had those new light source power thingys on them (not sure if they were ever explained?):

So I dont know how much it means anything.

Also, I do seem to have left out Thanos collection of Nova helmets and his “dealt with” comment on the “other Nova”. Again Thanos is a bad guy and the Nova force is a bunch of cosmic police..not sure i see the necc. profound significance there. Plus we almost know for a fact in some shape or form Rich has been “Dealt With”…I mean he aint active right now for “some odd reason”…so no surprise there.

Again, that Thanos  and Quill have some sort of deal seems to be “in play”…but Quill and Thanos have had some genuine fights since the cancerverse. So what gives? The GOTG were actively looking for Thanos when he had already been stuck in amber by Thane…again Bendis didnt show us much in the form of teases that there was anything extraordinary about this search connected to some larger plot.

 

 

Why so Much Spy stuff and Kung Fu?

Elektra, Black Widow, Moon Knight, Winter Soldier, Deadly hands of Kung Fu…when are Axel Alonso and Joe Quesada ever going to admit that the Marvel Knights era is over? Kung Fu arcs and Marvel knights esque stuff has stalled out sales in Avengers (let’s not even talk about Secret Avengers) books and Fraction’s Defenders as well…people dont want it!

BTW Rich Rider’s Nova series was selling better than almost all of these (especially at the same point). These book’s sales are abysmal. Rich also had that cruddy (prior) Secret Avengers book in the top 10 in sales for the whole arc…

..and don’t get me wrong, I love reading series or mini series about B to Z list characters…but ultimately, I get back to how pointless it was to scrap Rider and the “Annihilation era” cosmic world. Especially when we get rehashed the same stuff over and over again elsewhere (and somehow you can throw Carol Danver’s books in this argument as well..but I’m a huge fan of Carol).

BTW I do like a spy or Kung Fu tale now and then…but i dont like being force fed stuff!

EDIT: So I guess Midnight Sun returns in the latest issue of Deadly hands! But someone has told me his Englehart stuff has been disavowed? Typical marvel!

Really dreading this Bendis GOTG #18

Just not a good vibe..

Bendis said he knew for a long time what this story was about…yet it was pretty clear from his initial GOTG story in Avengers Assembled that he had basically never read any prior DnA/Giffen.

So don’t have any faith he is aware of the friendship or continuity Quill and Rich had together. Don’t at all feel safe he knows who Rich Rider was as a character.

It was also clear, as I’ve pointed out before, that whatever went on the Cancerverse has shown (or not shown) to have little to zero effect on any of the characters in the current series.  For Christ’s sake, no one has even asked Quill “where the hell Rich Rider is”!  Nobody gives a shit! Annhilus is on some silly council…and not one person seems inspired or at a loss for the fact Rich is dead.

We have gotten zero foreshadowing that this story has anything profound to it. Quill gave blank looks when asked about it (on 2 separate times)…thats about it. Quill, Rich and Thanos “died” in January of 2010!Most of the series Quill is wondering what Kitty is wearing, how to stylize that dreamy blonde hair, or pondering what “Just for Men” color J’son let Annhilus rub in his beard.

So why should we think this Cancerverse arc is going to be good?

Science fiction , written good, tends to make some semblance of sense, even if it is fantastic. None of this shit makes sense. Honestly, it’s probably the laziest book Bendis has ever penned.

What’s probably going to happen is Bendis will spit on DnA by showing Rich died a chump, making some selfish or foolish mistake..that Quill is the only real hero and fans should just forget about Rich because he was a lousy Nova.  Oh yeah, an whatever happens will equal permanent death for Rich Rider in some manner..Christmas in July.

Can’t rely that this will be a good arc because Bendis has no idea who Rich or Quill are and did not read the prior Annihilation era stuff.

I mean why throw salt on our wounds after these three years of having nothing resolved just to show Rich is dead? Or further reduce him to a coward or fool in death?..which I bet will happen…frankly its going to equal a drop for me of Bendis for good…and maybe that’s for the best.

I’ve said for a while that addressing this cancerverse situation has gone past the point where it should even be done. Its just too long and too much has been done…Bendis GOTG has proven to be “what it is” ..and in no way shape or form should we feel good about him handling this topic.

Bendis seems to relish this type of attention..of finding die hard core marvel fans and shitting down their throats..I’ve little else to expect here.

But I am crossing my fingers hoping I’m wrong!

 

Review of GOTG #16 and Star Lord #1

So, I just read Bendis GOTG # 16 and Humpries’ Star Lord #1 and a had a few thoughts..some just general thoughts and some thoughts on how these books relate to Rider (or as we will see do NOT relate to Rider)

First with GOTG #16, another month and another really bad issue down the drain. I guess this issue was supposed to be some kind of “resolution or climax” to the whole J’son Spartax current saga, and in typical Bendis fashion the resolution to this seemingly epic problem was just incredibly lame. I’m not going to go on any rant about the quality of the book.(proceeds to go on rant..)..its actually just another chapter that does nothing to advance anything in this book as profound or noteworthy or any nice development of the characters..they are all shells of what others have done better.

The plot of the current GOTG is ridiculous given continuity. First off Quill, Gamora,  Rocket would all be heroes to the respective races that supposedly have kidnapped them. There was something called the Annihilation War. Then there was the Phalanx invasion, then we had War of Kings and finally the Thanos Imperative…but of course none of this matters to Bendis, who views such things as road bumps to the “uber important” meandering stories HE wants to do …even if this means drastically changing the characters to the people HE wants them to be.  The GOTG are heroes to much of the Universe.  In fact, at the end of Thanos Imperative there was a fucking statue built.

What Quill has done (prior to this series) in the 616 since Giffen brought him back completely derails any logic to the whole shaky plot of the book thus far! Ok.. so how is J’son’s view of his son as a disgrace even remotely logical? He was a HERO! Even the sticking point could be easily tweaked..but Bendis is too lazy to even go there! Bendis has not done anything with J’son to show him as a believable villain or antagonist. He seems almost whimsical at times and vile at others..all the while looking like Jonathan Frakes with a bottle of Auburn “Just for men”..he sucks as a character. What the hell is he even talking about half the time?

Bendis is completely pissing me off  with this series that makes the last 7 years prior of great stories completely irrelevant. Damn thats not smart to do…for the life of me I’ll never get why this guy sells comics.

The notion that Annhilus would be accepted on some sort of galactic council? Ludicris.. and horrible writing! The fact that asshole gets page time when Rich is dead, even more ridiculous.

I dug Bradshaw’s art. He is like a cross between Art Adams and Erik Larsen..very nice vibe. His pages with Gamora fighting Badoon robots were especially nice. Never been any issues with art in this book, aside from the brief Francaville issues which were not a fit for the book. I thought I read he gave a shout out to Darkhawk recently…sounds cool.

Star lord # 1  was actually decent. I’d say Humpries probably does some of the best cosmic here for a marvel comic (aside from the Abnett or Lanning guest stories) since DnA’s . Medina’s art is always nice. It’s a coherent tale that sets a nice stage for some future stories. It even seems to actually tease some new factoids about the Quill/ Thanos vendetta?

So, in the ending pages, we get Quill affirm he is coming after Thanos in 12 days? In one simple line hinting there is much much more to the whole Thanos/ Quill situation than meets the eye.Hmm..Couldn’t we have gotten this from Bendis? It’s the kind of odd job line that Bendis stuff always chooses to lack and thus frustrate fans. With Humpries here, it shows a good sense of what “teasers” are and how they work placating core fans.In short,how you write good serial fiction in a continuity based system. God, its so simple BMB, why can’t you just work on this stuff? Its called foreshadowing man!

But that’s a tall order to ask for from Bendis at this stage in the game. Guy hasn’t even told us where Bug went off to for heaven’s sake. Next thing you know , he will have Dr. Demonicus kick in someone’s door sporting double Glocks. Maybe Jigsaw will be with him.

Now, as to how this all relates to Rider.. let me reaffirm Bendis has not teased us much. If there has been anything, enlighten me, please because I’ve missed it. We don’t even get anything in the shape of Rich Rider (or his supposed sacrifice) having any kind of lasting effect on his best bud, Peter Quill, or the other characters in the GOTG who were dear or romantic friends. So, if Bendis is to have us believe his planned dealing with the hanging Cancerverse story line is going to be any sort of profound or poignant, he has FAILED. It’s clear he has not set it up well within the pages of the book. Since, the Cancerverse event seems to have no impact on anyone, it hardly seems important. “Set up” fail BMB. After two years of this book, there is no evidence to show Rich Rider had any kind of lasting effect on the characters, the cosmic setting, or anyone whatsoever.That, my friends, is complete horse shit. Bendis could have really appeased some folks with just some better teases…but he has not done so.

I’ve wondered if this hints that Quill and Thanos had some sort of silly truce, but we have already seen Quill come after Thanos in Assembled, so I’m not sure about what the hell is going on. I’m not sure what the deal is. Many people think Thanos essentially “ate” or “absorbed” Rider…I hope not… that’s freakin moronic! ,,and if it did happen, why wouldn’t you have more refined teasers or set up? We will get the answers pretty soon…but my confidence meter , and that of most Rider fans …is riding low.