Bring Back Rich 2015!

I don’t really even know what to do anymore.

Its like something out of the twilight zone. They would make this punk kid an Avenger?

Look at this recent Brevoort comment:

anonymous asked:

Is it possible sometimes the fan outrage is reasonable and should result in editorial corrections? I feel like 100% of the fan outrage about Magneto and the twins is justified. It’s like Gwen having the babies with Norman Osborn, *nobody* liked that storyline, it betrayed their fondest memories of Gwen.

brevoortformspring answered:

All fan outraged is justified to the fan in question, sure.

But it’s a very rare thing that any fan outrage leads to us changing direction in the way you’re talking about, not in the short-term anyway.

We tell stories. We have confidence in the skills of our creators and editors in being able to craft those stories such that people like them. And we’re not a Democracy, not a choose-your-own-adventure experience.

And yeah, that means that we’re sometimes going to do stories that some people aren’t going to like, but that’s true of every storyteller in every medium. Can’t let that paralyze you, can’t let it hold you back.

So my take on this is we have a guy so delusional/odd  he claims that fan reaction does not mean anything? And if we really extract this could extend to sales and critical response as well.

But then again critical response is basically non existent because 90 percent of the review sites out there Newsarama, CBR, IGN are on marvel’s pay roll. ANd Marvel will always deny and disavow any of the sales info we get, unless it is in their favor.

We are 4 years into Rider’s “death” and 25 issues into the dreadful , fan rejected Nova series. Loeb claimed he had two years of scripts done for this series…and marvel is letting those play out.

NINO has been rejected by fans! Considering the effort of marvel to push this character and book…NINO is one of the biggest flumps in marvel history. Again, it all came from the guy who destroyed the Ultimate U (and that was 3 or 4 top 25 books) and who derailed Greg Pak’s critical and commercial Planet Hulk run.

At least now, we are in to the long term. We’ve passed the quick outrage point of fair weather fans.

We’ve lost a few folks from vocal support and boycotters but we still have some strength. Maybe we’ve gained some too. It was pretty cool to see the “Long Live Rider” post on Cosmic Book News’s facebook get so many likes…i think it was near 2k…which is nice. (that’s more than the people that buy NINO,lol)

Cosmic Book News may have a few voices that are too loud for some folks, but they are a huge asset to Rider and the movement to fix broken marvel cosmic. We just have to keep strong. The few ultra trolls who come on the CBN facebook posts are a minority.So are the goons on CBR. They are all the same hypocrites who will crap on Dan Slott or the new FF movie before they even read stuff.

What pisses me off about most of them is that hardly any have read NINO or even Annhilation/ Giffen/ DnA..they simply perceive us as “whining” or crying. We become annoying with our discontent, no matter how justified it is…I am growing to dislike that crew and its always a real challenge to keep my cool.

I’m not sure how I perceive the info that NINO is going to join the Avengers…he doesnt really appear in many of the future Avengers books, so I’m wondering where it is going to happen.

I dont know if we can every get through to Tom B. He seems to biased against us as insignificant and merely annoying. Frankly, I’m well beyond baking any cakes to woo people.

But here is to keeping the grills on for 2015! Keep strong and let marvel know you want Rider back…hopefully marvel doesn’t screw up their whole line this year with Secret War…lord knows I would not put it past marvel to screw up everything. I think marvel has some of the single worst leadership/editorial control in its history…so brace yourselves for a disaster.


3 thoughts on “Bring Back Rich 2015!

  1. your last line in particular is pretty much what I have been noticing for a while now. Marvel’s editors appear to have become utterly superfluous. The job of the editor is supposed to be to bring all the books and writers in line together to make them better, and instead, we have them letting guys like Bendys (sic) run slipshod all over decades of continuity. They don’t even bother retconning, they just let writers get details, characters, events, personalities, etc all wrong. In my nearly forty years of following marvel comics, I have never seen the editors let so many continuity errors slip or let writers just ignore everything before them to this degree.

    it’s happened a little here and there in the past, but in recent times, it’s simply horrendous. Nova has been one if the biggest victims of this editorial screwup. Even this little tease that brought him back in flashback form still did not bother to fact check multiple details. If a writer wants to be lazy and just ignore anything he did not personally come up with (again, looking at BMB mostly, but also Loeb to some degree), then that writer needs to fix his stuff or get fired. It is the editor’s job to know what needs to be fixed, and to make them fix it.

    It does not matter if a writer is a “superstar” riding on the coattails of one or two successful runs from years ago. They need to keep doing stuff right for the sake of the comics and the company, and it is up to the editors to make them do it. A little hint for you guys at marvel: It’s not your “superstar” writers that are bringing people to your comic books; it’s your history of comic books that is bringing people to these undeserved star writers.

    God, I miss 80’s and 90’s marvel. It can be that good again. It just needs proper management in more than just the movie division. At least with the movies, they know they can’t get away with crap like this very often.

    1. Thanks for the feed back AB, agree with everything you say here. You gotta throw in Hickman here as well, who is a funny example because I really dig many of his ideas and work. Millar was another guy. Ultimates on a clean slate was legendary, Civil War was well written but stained by poor characterization within continuity. In fact, all of these writers we are talking about are really quite good.I’ve said plenty of good things about Bendis as well. He does snappy dialogue so well. They just need good strong editors to refine some of these ideas and make them fit into the marvel shared continuity universe. I think all of this stuff will make marvel a better place…but my fear is guys like Duggan and Hopeless get shaped into something and we get a “chain effect” of this being the norm, instead of something that should be honed in as problematic.

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